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I wanted to like this game [Rant]

ZenjionZenjion
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edited 3:07PM November 11, 2018 in General Chat
Edit: PLEASE READ. Since I'm getting more hate from people who didn't seem to even read most of this. None of what is below is complaining about enchanting. NONE OF IT. I can't even attempt to enchant stuff yet because i'm trying to get a decent weapon AND YOU CAN"T REROLL WEAPONS.

I seriously wanted to like this game, it seemed like the kind of game that I'd like. Good pve, good social content, and I loved the music part. What's starting to get to me is the RNG. I hate RNG progression, I'm fine with a little rng such as on the enchanting but in maple EVERYTHING is RNG. Everything from getting your first purple to getting decent gear from your hard mode dungeons. Sure the gear drops often enough but if you didn't read gear guides you'd probably go with your first piece of gear and spend millions enchanting it. I waiting for till I thought I had a good weapon, both numbers were purple. Turns out that doesn't mean crap if you don't get piercing and physical piercing rolls cause everything else is useless. So here I am with this garbage +12 weapon that I have to scrap because I would get kicked out of raids if I pushed it to +13.

That leads me to my current position of spamming the same dungeon over and over simply trying to find a weapon to start enchanting but after a week with and without double drop only one weapon had double piercing and the rolls were on the low end. By the way this was all doing Lube, all the while I never got horns or wings. I'm up to 45+ runs in lube alone with no wings or horns. In my party today Wings dropped 3 times and horns dropped 4 times, just not to me.

This could take me MONTHS to even get STARTED, until I find something with rolls good enough to enchant. I look in chat and see this stream of people enchanting gear with literally perfect rolls, Max double piercing, but I can hardly even FIND a weapon with double piercing. I wish I could just spam the dungeons all day to try and force a good drop but I'm locked to do it only a certain amount.

My point is in a game that limits that amount of progression you can do per day means getting behind like me means I will ALWAYS be behind now. No matter what I do I'll always be far behind the rest of my guild mates even if I finally get a good weapon.

I can't even start a new character to try farming hard dungeons with because my ALT is stuck doing tronix trying to get enough purple gear to enter FD. 30 Tronix runs with double drops got me a single purple helmet. It's starting to feel like why should I even bother now? I'm so far behind most people now by the time I'm ready for raids everyone will be doing clock tower. I can't imagine how hard it would be for any new players.

I'm going to get a lot of hate for this post I already know but I had to get all this off my chest before pushing any further.

Tl:Dr RNG progression combined with limited progression is painful.
ZintackClericeruDarrithLouvainPkmdzVyrralSherriBananaCat
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  • FearmypawsFearmypaws
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    edited 8:20PM November 10, 2018
    Zenjion wrote: »
    I seriously wanted to like this game, it seemed like the kind of game that I'd like. Good pve, good social content, and I loved the music part. What's starting to get to me is the RNG. I hate RNG progression, I'm fine with a little rng such as on the enchanting but in maple EVERYTHING is RNG. Everything from getting your first purple to getting decent gear from your hard mode dungeons. Sure the gear drops often enough but if you didn't read gear guides you'd probably go with your first piece of gear and spend millions enchanting it. I waiting for till I thought I had a good weapon, both numbers were purple. Turns out that doesn't mean crap if you don't get piercing and physical piercing rolls cause everything else is useless. So here I am with this garbage +12 weapon that I have to scrap because I would get kicked out of raids if I pushed it to +13.

    That leads me to my current position of spamming the same dungeon over and over simply trying to find a weapon to start enchanting but after a week with and without double drop only one weapon had double piercing and the rolls were on the low end. By the way this was all doing Lube, all the while I never got horns or wings. I'm up to 45+ runs in lube alone with no wings or horns. In my party today Wings dropped 3 times and horns dropped 4 times, just not to me.

    This could take me MONTHS to even get STARTED, until I find something with rolls good enough to enchant. I look in chat and see this stream of people enchanting gear with literally perfect rolls, Max double piercing, but I can hardly even FIND a weapon with double piercing. I wish I could just spam the dungeons all day to try and force a good drop but I'm locked to do it only a certain amount.

    My point is in a game that limits that amount of progression you can do per day means getting behind like me means I will ALWAYS be behind now. No matter what I do I'll always be far behind the rest of my guild mates even if I finally get a good weapon.

    I can't even start a new character to try farming hard dungeons with because my ALT is stuck doing tronix trying to get enough purple gear to enter FD. 30 Tronix runs with double drops got me a single purple helmet. It's starting to feel like why should I even bother now? I'm so far behind most people now by the time I'm ready for raids everyone will be doing clock tower. I can't imagine how hard it would be for any new players.

    I'm going to get a lot of hate for this post I already know but I had to get all this off my chest before pushing any further.

    Tl:Dr RNG progression combined with limited progression is painful.


    I stopped doing my alts hard mode cuz it’s becoming beyond chore+rngfavored n boring fast plus tedious. So I m sticking with my main for now. I’m getting frustrated with 11+ failing 16 times in a row is what the fk is this? Honestly I feel like I’m playing casino right now with muitiple slaps to my face n telling me try fking again with my luck.
    Zintack
  • PinkFoxxyPinkFoxxy
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    in understand o whateva but i dont think RNG and limited dungeon runs should be enough to make you dislike a game, especially when theres so much more to do
  • ClericeruClericeru
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    Zenjion wrote: »
    Tl:Dr RNG progression combined with limited progression is painful.

    This is exactly the situation I'm in. It is extremely frustrating. It's not about working hard towards a goal. There's the chance that I will never reach that goal within this extreme RNG based system. No hate for the post, you're certainly not the only one that's left feeling that way.

    This isn't a game. It's a casino dressed up as a game.
    ZintackZenjionPkmdz
  • WhyWhyWhyWhy
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    Tweak Peachy and all the enchantment problem is solve , more expensive but NO RNG enchantment
    PkmdzEcchiOtakuTM
  • Techn0mancerTechn0mancer
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    112 beyond trislink hardmore dungeons under this character's belt, with 60 of those being double drop and plus 12 weapon. Meanwhile, I've carried a friend of mine with me that started 2 weeks ago into a plus 14 just tonight. It's beyond frustrating, and many big guilds are suffering right now because folks with high GS that lucked into plus 14 and plus 15's can't cut it in raiding and are rage quitting. Even a die hard like me, early access, founder, hundreds spent in game on everything from musical instruments to fun gear is starting to lose hope. People complaining about failing 15 or 20 times isn't even the beginning of my pain at this point. I've been treating this like a second job, and I'm behind people that started 2 weeks ago. Just this afternoon, I explaining how to use the party finder to a guy with a plus 14. How did he make it that far and not know how to use the party finder? Not even where it was?

    I understand the point of RNG in mmo's. It extends gameplay and prevents people from taking a beeline run to best gear, getting bored and quitting, but right now this system is too far tilted to RNG and it's really slapped people like me in the face, because I have to beg borrow and steal my way into raiding attempts, due to my pathetic +12 weapon. It's a nightmare that needs looking into. If someone like me is already thinking the effort isn't worth it, I can't imagine how many other less die hards are going to be dropping off the radar in the coming days and never logging in again due to hurt feelings.
    Heimerdinger
  • HeimerdingerHeimerdinger
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    edited 9:05PM November 10, 2018
    http://forums.maplestory2.nexon.net/discussion/42793/guide-to-becoming-the-raid-champion



    guys just follow my guide on how to become the best


    yes, it really is that ludicrous lol
  • JoshLancelotJoshLancelot
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    You’ll be fine
    NachoCheese
  • CzareCzare
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    korean mmo bruh
  • KhalykKhalyk
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    I guess the biggest thing I could say is this is pretty par for the course for a korean mmo. To the point Nexon America has petitioned and removed some of the worst aspects of it, like gear having a chance to destroy itself on failed enchants after +10. But at the same time, at its core, RNG components are going to be a very HEAVY component because of where this game was originally developed. This feels like a very toned down version of Archeages upgrade system.
  • NiamhNyxNiamhNyx
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    Khalyk wrote: »
    I guess the biggest thing I could say is this is pretty par for the course for a korean mmo. To the point Nexon America has petitioned and removed some of the worst aspects of it, like gear having a chance to destroy itself on failed enchants after +10. But at the same time, at its core, RNG components are going to be a very HEAVY component because of where this game was originally developed. This feels like a very toned down version of Archeages upgrade system.

    I havent played many korean mmos that have rng this bad.
    Most korean mmos i see or attempt to play are p2w and i usually leave them pretty fast lol
  • Unholy_RikuUnholy_Riku
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    Why do you think all these bots are still here? It's Nexon selling mesos to get around the garbage RNG.
    Erie
  • FeifeiDuFeifeiDu
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    Dude wtf are you talking about. When you collect 4 useless purple it give you a box garranty to give you one for your class. If you can’t even stand that then quit we don’t care lol
  • FeifeiDuFeifeiDu
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    Why do you think all these bots are still here? It's Nexon selling mesos to get around the garbage RNG.

    You have no brain...
  • TeakwoodTeakwood
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    Purchasing starting gear on your main for your alts isn't difficult at all. Nothing is expensive anymore. You can literally skip Tronix Bunker and go straight to FD, Lube and Tris. I have extra suits, gloves, horns, etc just chillin in my bank waiting for my alts to hit 50. I just bought them outright.

    So, first off, if you're leveling an alt and you're playing Tronix Bunker at all, you're probably doin something wrong. I'm sorry to say this but it's true.

    Choose your weapon. Grind that dungeon. Dismantle the extra weapons and armours that don't have good stats. Open the boxes you graciously receive (not to mention the onyx crystals from dismantling) until you get your double piercing. You also get A TON of free re-roll scrolls and enchantment scrolls as you level. I didn't go double piercing by the way. I ended up with a max Magic Attack stat on my Scepter and said screw it and kept it because I'm a Priest.

    Eventually you get enough enchantment charges with Ophelia to get an upgrade. My complaints are:

    - Peachy has no use in the game whatsoever because it is mathematically proven that it's cheaper to just use Ophelia every time
    - 500,000 Mesos + 16 fragments for an accessory re-roll is exhausting.
    - B4 Keys are too rare
  • NachoCheeseNachoCheese
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    edited 2:35PM November 11, 2018
    "I have the worst luck and play 8 hours a day for the past month and cant get past +11, WAHHHHHH!" - Typical general forum comment.

    To some of the points raised:
    - Fail stacks gives players a reason to want fails (if you want +15 you will need fail stacks to get to 100%)
    - Spend metacells and crystals for stat rerolls instead of 500k to get accessories from fragments
    - Peachy is a legacy vedor from whenn Ophellia used to destroy your gear at the beginning of KMS2
    - Its a MMO, evrey MMO has RNG. Dont like it go back to your console games.

    Finally what do you people actually want? Want a vendor for epics instead of drops? Want to be able to choose your stats on all your gear? Like come on guys lets be real being able to buy everything would not be fun. If BIS was easy to obtain then you people would complain about how raid requirements are too hard because everyone would require it. There is no winning here.

    Typical general forum post of casuals players complaining that people who spend more time have better equipment. Unless your +11 or +12 weapon has 100 fail stacks and you luck is truly horrendous you have no ground to complain.
  • FearmypawsFearmypaws
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    edited 2:52PM November 11, 2018
    Teakwood wrote: »
    Purchasing starting gear on your main for your alts isn't difficult at all. Nothing is expensive anymore. You can literally skip Tronix Bunker and go straight to FD, Lube and Tris. I have extra suits, gloves, horns, etc just chillin in my bank waiting for my alts to hit 50. I just bought them outright.

    So, first off, if you're leveling an alt and you're playing Tronix Bunker at all, you're probably doin something wrong. I'm sorry to say this but it's true.

    Choose your weapon. Grind that dungeon. Dismantle the extra weapons and armours that don't have good stats. Open the boxes you graciously receive (not to mention the onyx crystals from dismantling) until you get your double piercing. You also get A TON of free re-roll scrolls and enchantment scrolls as you level. I didn't go double piercing by the way. I ended up with a max Magic Attack stat on my Scepter and said screw it and kept it because I'm a Priest.

    Eventually you get enough enchantment charges with Ophelia to get an upgrade. My complaints are:

    - Peachy has no use in the game whatsoever because it is mathematically proven that it's cheaper to just use Ophelia every time
    - 500,000 Mesos + 16 fragments for an accessory re-roll is exhausting.
    - B4 Keys are too rare


    Peachy is beyond retarded and a huge wasteful resource in the game. I don't understand why bother putting there in first place when it takes 20-35 weeks range to guarantee it. New content is on the way.. are you that stupid? Ophelia all the way at least she doesn't break our weapon like Kms2 and Cms2 right?

    500k for a stat reoll is fking dumb, should be at least starting off 10-25k then increase each time u want to fuse more then has limit cap say.. 100k? Reset each daily weekly. It's NOT THAT HARD.

    B4 should be tradable period. How is it hard to trade key?
  • NachoCheeseNachoCheese
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    Fearmypaws wrote: »
    Teakwood wrote: »
    Purchasing starting gear on your main for your alts isn't difficult at all. Nothing is expensive anymore. You can literally skip Tronix Bunker and go straight to FD, Lube and Tris. I have extra suits, gloves, horns, etc just chillin in my bank waiting for my alts to hit 50. I just bought them outright.

    So, first off, if you're leveling an alt and you're playing Tronix Bunker at all, you're probably doin something wrong. I'm sorry to say this but it's true.

    Choose your weapon. Grind that dungeon. Dismantle the extra weapons and armours that don't have good stats. Open the boxes you graciously receive (not to mention the onyx crystals from dismantling) until you get your double piercing. You also get A TON of free re-roll scrolls and enchantment scrolls as you level. I didn't go double piercing by the way. I ended up with a max Magic Attack stat on my Scepter and said screw it and kept it because I'm a Priest.

    Eventually you get enough enchantment charges with Ophelia to get an upgrade. My complaints are:

    - Peachy has no use in the game whatsoever because it is mathematically proven that it's cheaper to just use Ophelia every time
    - 500,000 Mesos + 16 fragments for an accessory re-roll is exhausting.
    - B4 Keys are too rare


    Peachy is beyond retarded and a huge wasteful resource in the game. I don't understand why bother putting there in first place when it takes 20-35 weeks range to guarantee it. New content is on the way.. are you that stupid? Ophelia all the way at least she doesn't break our weapon like Kms2 and Cms2 right?

    500k for a fusion is fking dumb, should be at least starting off 10-25k then increase each time u want to fuse more then has limit cap say.. 100k? Reset each daily weekly. It's NOT THAT HARD.

    B4 should be tradable period. How is it hard to trade key?

    I agree peachy is unnecessary and at this point is more of a noob trap than anything.

    Spend money on stat rerolls not fusions. Agian another noob trap.

    I agree B4 should be tradable, minor complaint though.
  • ZenjionZenjion
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    edited 3:21PM November 11, 2018
    "I have the worst luck and play 8 hours a day for the past month and cant get past +11, WAHHHHHH!" - Typical general forum comment.

    To some of the points raised:
    - Fail stacks gives players a reason to want fails (if you want +15 you will need fail stacks to get to 100%)
    - Spend metacells and crystals for stat rerolls instead of 500k to get accessories from fragments
    - Peachy is a legacy vedor from whenn Ophellia used to destroy your gear at the beginning of KMS2
    - Its a MMO, evrey MMO has RNG. Dont like it go back to your console games.

    Finally what do you people actually want? Want a vendor for epics instead of drops? Want to be able to choose your stats on all your gear? Like come on guys lets be real being able to buy everything would not be fun. If BIS was easy to obtain then you people would complain about how raid requirements are too hard because everyone would require it. There is no winning here.

    Typical general forum post of casuals players complaining that people who spend more time have better equipment. Unless your +11 or +12 weapon has 100 fail stacks and you luck is truly horrendous you have no ground to complain.

    Did you read anything I typed? I'm not trying to enchant a weapon, I'm trying to GET a weapon. If I take any old weapon and enchant it to +14 I'll get kicked out of raids. Been grinding for weeks trying to get a double piercing weapon and you can't re roll weapons.

    Any further suggestions?
  • NachoCheeseNachoCheese
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    edited 3:20PM November 11, 2018
    Zenjion wrote: »

    Did you read anything I typed? I'm not trying to enchant a weapon, I'm trying to GET a weapon. If I take any old weapon and enchant it to +14 I'll get kicked out of raids. Been grinding for weeks trying to get a double piercing weapon and you can't re roll weapons.

    Any further suggestions?

    Sorry for not fully understanding your complaint. I agree its tricky and can be frustrating not getting the weapon you want. I dont have double pierce on any of my weapons on any of my alts.

    If your genuinely asking for a suggestions, what I did was all my weekly clears for 2 weeks and then took my pick of the best weapon of the bunch. Your gonna need to do hard mode ALOT to get enough weapons and onyx to get your weapon to a enchantment level your happy with anyways so I would just take your time. It has taken me about 2 weeks of hard mode clears (1 of those was the double drop event) before I had enough resources and luck to get to +14 on my main hand so agian there is really no rush.

    If you cant find a weapon that wont get you kicked from a raid in 2-3 weeks of hard mode then your luck is either insanely bad or you need to find a new group of people to run your raid with.
    Teakwood
  • ZenjionZenjion
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    edited 3:24PM November 11, 2018

    so I would just take your time. It has taken me about 2 weeks of hard mode clears (1 of those was the double drop event) before I had enough resources and luck to get to +14 on my main hand so agian there is really no rush.

    That I understand but I'm just so worried that I'll get left behind. I have friends that I like to play with but if they get lucky on their weapon drops and I don't then I might not get to play with them you know? Its demoralizing to feel like your holding others back just because you are not as lucky as they are.