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UGC update 11/8

NearlyNearly
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It was said that all listing fees will be 490 merits. I already have to pay merits to create the item, but does this now mean I have to pay 490 merits just to *attempt* to sell a single item? If so, that seems pretty steep to me.

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  • DilBertGreenDilBertGreen
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  • PizzaBearPizzaBear
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    They're trying to make it harder for people to sell ripoff. With fewer of them, you'll be able to make more meret from your original designs.
  • PopagandicePopagandice
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    to ensure you post quality content
  • mirta000mirta000
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    erm, yes. Won't be worth selling anything at all honestly. Easier to make money off direct comissions.
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  • TeakwoodTeakwood
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    I feel this is extremely unfair for any sort of accessory. You have to sell several copies for your gloves just to break even now.
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  • LouweLouwe
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    Rip UGC, i'll never forget you
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  • RegalRookRegalRook
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    It's a pretty predatory way of handling the situation, but yes, we need to pay Nexon $5 per submission now. We're basically playing the roulette table. We may make a hit and be able to fund future submissions, but in all likelihood that won't be the case and we'll come out with less than when we started. Which honestly was fine when the listing fees were lower. I mean, even if it were a static 100-200 merits per submission that would be more reasonable. But 490 per item? I think I'll take my current earnings and leave the casino.
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  • mirta000mirta000
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    RegalRook wrote: »
    It's a pretty predatory way of handling the situation, but yes, we need to pay Nexon $5 per submission now. We're basically playing the roulette table. We may make a hit and be able to fund future submissions, but in all likelihood that won't be the case and we'll come out with less than when we started. Which honestly was fine when the listing fees were lower. I mean, even if it were a static 100-200 merits per submission that would be more reasonable. But 490 per item? I think I'll take my current earnings and leave the casino.

    heck, take the current ripping case of UGC that's in general forums here. The ripper made over 200K merrets, while the original creator sold maybe 10 copies. Meaning even if you're REALLY GOOD this is too much of a roulette to throw 5$ a try.
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  • MatchaTeaMatchaTea
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    Hello, I am a casual UGC designer from the OCE server. I am not an arts major but have some knowledge with photoshop to make decent UGC content. I just wanted to point out that average sales in our server are maybe around 2-3 sales/ month. This new listing fee would mean that I would need to make much more sales in 3 months to break even, during which I would be unable to alter listing fees should the item not sell fast enough. I would also need to put in more effort to promote my items via world chat, which would require more merets spent. For the time and effort spent designing UGC content from drawings to in-game clothes, this new system doesn't seem to encourage me to design any further.
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  • ArjuneArjune
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    edited 3:21PM November 6, 2018
    WOW this is stupid.... Dear Nexon, just go ahead and punish everyone because a few people are being greedy jerks and ripping off other people's stuff and you're tired of purging 500 ahegao t-shirts a day. You did this to yourselves by even having this feature, yet you're gonna punish people who did nothing wrong by making an outrageous fee?! I never even got the chance to submit anything because Ive been busy trophy hunting and gearing up and stuff, but this makes it sound like it's not even worth trying to make or sell anything

    thanks a lot Nexon

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  • HosuHosu
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    edited 5:45PM November 6, 2018
    This may sound harsh and to a certain degree it definitely is. But I believe its the truth.

    First, 490 merets is not a steep fee at all. The listing period is 90 days; thats 3 months you have to advertise your content and for people to find and appreciate it.

    Next, if your content is top quality, and I mean real quality, then you don't need to worry at all, because people will appreciate it and you will make sales. If you want to complain about the higher listing fee, doesn't that mean at some deeper level you don't have confidence in your work?

    The cold truth is that some designs just plain don't sell. I am all for individuality, artistic expression, and would never outright call anyone's work bad. But I can look at a design and in my head judge whether I would spend money on this or not. A lot of those designs that are definitely original and unique, and advertised on world and channel chat, or wherever? I would not buy them. Sorry.

    From the total population playing on a server, only a certain portion care about fashion, a smaller portion look at the design market due to being too lazy or not skilled enough to make their own UGC, and an even smaller portion will find any particular UGC and appreciate its aesthetics and values.

    On the other hand it is SUPER cheap overall to pay a small fee and list your content. Even disregarding unoriginal and stolen content, there plenty of subpar submissions that oversaturate the market and make it harder to find legitimately good content.

    So yeah, the fee is higher. There are some people who will feel its too high an investment, because quite frankly, they don't think their work will sell any more than 2-3 copies. But I guarantee there are plenty of people who think their work is great and will list regardless.

    This will reduce market listings. This will shut down the below average artist. It will ultimately make it easier for people to find the real gems the market has to offer. And I'm okay with that.

    Edit: I also completely forgot that with style crate and new additions to premium shop, there's less people than ever that want UGC. There's only so much you can do with the basic templates provided and most style crate options just look a lot better.
  • PurrtyLuckyPurrtyLucky
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    I don't know. I would say it will always be a risk because some of the most beautiful designs I have found sell very few, if any at all, but I do believe the risk is worth it if you believe in your design. A healthier design shop with less trash being posted should increases eyes and help your designs be found, too. I will happily list my best sellers again under this system, and probably do some quality improvements on my items that sold less before listing them again.
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  • Meso_ManMeso_Man
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    I'm gonna play devils advocate and say they're not making enough money in cash shop. And people will still buy ugc stuff just stop posting low effort hot garbage.
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  • GarlicBreadGarlicBread
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    edited 6:14PM November 6, 2018
    me personally I won't bother with ugc. what they are doing is just putting more money in their pocket and think ''solution'' but it's whatever nobody really buy ugc's anymore, style crate is way better.
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  • BluclueBluclue
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    edited 6:14PM November 6, 2018
    I would honestly welcome this if not for the fact that they are doing jack shlt regarding the UGC rippers. $5 to participate in a market that is saturated by unfair competition? (high quality KR/CM ripped from their servers) Sounds pretty shitty. They should really have perma banned those rippers. Especially when they earned like $100-$2000+ worth of merets. Getting away with like a 3 day probation is piss.
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  • NeospectorNeospector
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    Pessimistically it would drastically reduce the ability for casual players to sell items. It also might not work; it's just a fee and it doesn't necessarily stop copycats.

    Optimistically, this might cut back on the sheer number of items which are just pepe and other memes pasted onto shirt templates, I.E. it would cut back on the number of stupidly lazy items and increase the quality of the shop, even if it doesn't stop copycats. I also can't imagine this impacts already-popular designers who already have merets from their existing sales.

    It could go either way, really. I hope things go the optimistic route, because I am sick of all the lazy designs (stolen or not). Although if someone is serious about designing items and actually put in the effort, I don't see how the changes would be "punishing" them per se.
  • merpellamerpella
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    edited 7:18PM November 6, 2018
    Hosu wrote: »
    This may sound harsh and to a certain degree it definitely is. But I believe its the truth.

    First, 490 merets is not a steep fee at all. The listing period is 90 days; thats 3 months you have to advertise your content and for people to find and appreciate it.

    Next, if your content is top quality, and I mean real quality, then you don't need to worry at all, because people will appreciate it and you will make sales. If you want to complain about the higher listing fee, doesn't that mean at.....................

    The stuff that I make is top quality, and does sell. However things are more likely to sell if they are on the front page. I've sold upwards of 30 copies of a single item, however it stops selling after 3 or 4 sales (2 days after the initial listing) since people aren't looking passed page 1 or 2 of a design page and instead opt to go to "most sold" or "most popular." Hell, another factor to whether or not something you make sells is its name. If the name is too long, or not straight to the point, people might not even click on your product. I for one do not have the disposable income to sink into maplestory 2 to hopefully sell something, but from my experience, you are more likely to sell things if you post them in the shop, take them down 2 days later, and repost them. I've found no success from posting in world chat; why would I? My guildmates and I don't even pay attention to the world chat, so the small portion that does pay attention to it are looking for key words: the names of the users that make a lot of content that they like, not some content creator that hasn't made a name for themselves yet. It's pretty much gambling: post your good design at the wrong time of day, when a bunch of people are submitting, or just get unlucky with the people that are looking when you submit, and your design will get overlooked and will not sell a single copy UNLESS you're a popular UGC creator already.

    Violating the ToS is not a good thing, but to mitigate that, you should not charge your userbase an exorbitant amount. 5 dollars is a small amount to some, but this is a free to play game. Many people that play this game, whether they be artists and art majors (like myself), high school students and younger, or just average adults play it because they can't afford to put money into paid MMOs. I say just make it a review process: when you submit something, make it take 24 hours to show up in the shop, and during that time it is reviewed. A cursory glance is generally enough to tell if something is lewd or copyrighted. I like the UGC shop, but I can't afford to do it at 5 dollars a submission. Hell, I wouldn't be able to afford it at all even at 1 dollar a submission, that free initial listing is the only reason I got into it in the first place. If it had been a paid service to start with, there would be no room to complain here, but since it was, the casual artist or broke college student like me would of course be disheartened and unhappy about the change.
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  • SherriSherri
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    Like I said on another thread, this new 'improvement' *gag* is only another way for them to milk money out of us some more.
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  • mirta000mirta000
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    Hosu wrote: »
    This may sound harsh and to a certain degree it definitely is. But I believe its the truth.

    First, 490 merets is not a steep fee at all. The listing period is 90 days; thats 3 months you have to advertise your content and for people to find and appreciate it.

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    this is a graph taken from this thread:

    http://forums.maplestory2.nexon.net/discussion/42049/ugc-across-regions-merits-to-account-not-server

    of sales per server. I am on EU. I am yet to break even.
    Hosu wrote: »
    Next, if your content is top quality, and I mean real quality, then you don't need to worry at all, because people will appreciate it and you will make sales. If you want to complain about the higher listing fee, doesn't that mean at some deeper level you don't have confidence in your work?

    here are my creations:

    http://forums.maplestory2.nexon.net/discussion/37504/mirtas-creations-novice-quality

    this in particular:
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    has sold 0 copies. An American gave me 25$ up front to have the rights to the template, because he fell in love with it.
    These two, received a lot of praise online:
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    0 sales EU.

    this is my top selling item:
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    2 sales in its lifetime.

    Heck yeah, I have no confidence in my work and for good reason. The market has shown that there's no reason for me to have confidence in my work. I'm a novice and I recently lost my job. This was something that I really really REALLY wanted to get into and one of the main reasons I played Maplestory 2. I don't have 7$ to spend on gloves now though. I had 10$ to spend a month on UGC. I'm better off going back to Sims and trying to learn custom item making there.
    Hosu wrote: »
    The cold truth is that some designs just plain don't sell. I am all for individuality, artistic expression, and would never outright call anyone's work bad. But I can look at a design and in my head judge whether I would spend money on this or not. A lot of those designs that are definitely original and unique, and advertised on world and channel chat, or wherever? I would not buy them. Sorry.

    Cold hard truth? I would not buy any UGC. Why? I can get unique model clothing off Nexon for cheaper.
    Hosu wrote: »
    On the other hand it is SUPER cheap overall to pay a small fee and list your content. Even disregarding unoriginal and stolen content, there plenty of subpar submissions that oversaturate the market and make it harder to find legitimately good content.

    The guy whose UGC got stolen - the stealer sold 200K merrets worth, while the original creator sold 10 copies. You have no guarantee that you'll break even and with steeper entry and Nexon's inaction, it is a lot more logical to steal top Korean sellers. Why should I try to make something pretty for 2 days, if I can find a no longer active Korean artist that I know won't report me, make hundreds of thousands of merrets and know for sure that Nexon won't do anything with me, because there are items that got stolen from NA designers, tickets are 40 days old and they decided that there's insufficient proof? Outside of having a livestream running as you make the item, nothing will prove to Nexon that it is yours.

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  • MiguelxMiguelx
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    The fat fee is good in my opinion because if a design is taken down for going against rules, merits and design won't be refunded. FeelsGoodMan
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