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B4 and dungeon run scammers

KewkkyKewkky
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edited 12:47AM November 4, 2018 in General Chat
I just felt like I should make a quick post about this, as I recently had a run-in with a B4 scammer, and while I personally didn't get scammed, the other two party members did.

Considering the iffy nature of B4 spot sales as well as dungeon run sellers where one side has to provide full payment and hope that the other person isn't going to run off with their money beforehand, you want to make sure the person you're making a deal with is trustworthy. If you have never heard of them before, that doesn't immediately mean they're scammers, but don't be too trusting! There are things you can do that will improve your chances of a successful B4/hard dungeon purchased run.

1) Look at their guild. If you don't recognize it as one of the top guilds, then look it up in the Guild Rankings. If its rank is super low, or if the seller straight up doesn't have a guild, then don't take the risk. Otherwise, look for the guild master's name, and PM them about the person in question. Likewise, you could also ask the guildless person if they know someone in a high-end guild that can vouch for them, as this character could be an alt from one of its members. With someone vouching for them, it becomes a lot easier to trust that person.
2) (Only for B4) Ask him to either link the B4 key in the chat, or to open the first door of the dungeon. Only the person in possession of a B4 key can open the first door in the dungeon, as well as the golden chest at the end of the dungeon. This means that if they can't even open the first door as proof, then they don't have a key and they're scammers. make sure to pressure them into doing so, don't be fooled by them.
3) If you're skeptical and you're a part of a large well-known and respected guild, suggest that you'd like to pay at the end, after the treasure chest has been opened. Tell them to talk to your guild leader if they need someone to vouch for you.
4) if the price is too good to be true, chances are that it is. Keep in mind what the average price of the service in question is, and don't feel bad about skipping that low-priced run. It could've been a good deal, but scammers like to use numbers that attract attention faster.
5) Even if you follow some of the above points, you could still run into a scammer. The more of the above tips you check off, the higher your chances are of never falling for any scams.

So, my story was this: I joined someone's party who was advertising selling a B4 run, and once we finished the party, the dungeon was opened and we went in. The seller then traded the other two members, and when it came time for me to do so, having noticed that no one said a word and that the person hadn't opened the door to the dungeon yet, I asked her to link the B4 key. Literally two seconds after I asked that in party chat, she disbanded the party and we all got kicked out. I PM'd the other guys to see if it was just me being kicked out because she was impatient with people, and that's when I learned that they had gotten scammed.

Remember: buying services like this from other players comes with risks. Whether you're for or against these types of transactions, at the very least you should recognize that no one should be trusted at face value.
  1. Do you know of anyone that has gotten scammed by B4 spot/dungeon run sellers?42 votes
    1. Yes, and it sucks.
       29% (12 votes)
    2. No, luckily.
       29% (12 votes)
    3. No, because I refuse to associate with anyone that does this.
       43% (18 votes)

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  • Nanachi_CCCPNanachi_CCCP
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    Maybe I'm the weird one here,but i have no pity for people that try to buy runs.
    Especially fire dragon runs that you can solo without getting hit after 15minutes of training.
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  • KewkkyKewkky
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    Maybe I'm the weird one here,but i have no pity for people that try to buy runs.
    Especially fire dragon runs that you can solo without getting hit after 15minutes of training.

    That's not weird at all. We all have different stances on things, and none of them are "the only correct stance". Your choice of not having any pity is respectable.
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  • LeilafiLeilafi
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    I'll never pay anyone for runs, when I can just run it for free, with friends/guild members or people willing to do it for nothing.
    As a Priest, I'll rue the day someone says I have to pay to join a free dungeon run that isn't even that hard.
  • CheerCheer
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    Maybe I'm the weird one here,but i have no pity for people that try to buy runs.
    Especially fire dragon runs that you can solo without getting hit after 15minutes of training.

    I mean, buying B4 runs are a bit different though. While FD is a dungeon that you can enter with just gear score, B4 requires a key that can only be gotten from rng. For some the people who are just plain unlucky, it could be their only option to buy B4 runs. Out of a server of 32 people not one of us has gotten a B4 key yet and that includes buying multiple identifications on different alt characters.
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  • EternalxEternalx
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    Maybe I'm the weird one here,but i have no pity for people that try to buy runs.
    Especially fire dragon runs that you can solo without getting hit after 15minutes of training.

    Do you know what buying B4 runs actually entail? LOL.
    Caithe
  • Pineapple1124Pineapple1124
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    Best to suggest nexon to change this. It’s encouraging scammers.
  • DarrithDarrith
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    Maybe I'm the weird one here,but i have no pity for people that try to buy runs.
    Especially fire dragon runs that you can solo without getting hit after 15minutes of training.

    Apparently you’re not far enough along yet to know what B4 is. Good luck getting in one for free.

    As for scammers, it’s mostly the same few people. On NAE that’s misspiggy, colorful and biggamer. I reported misspiggy a week ago and I still see warnings about him in party finder every day. Nothing’s being done. Didn’t know this was EVE online.
  • KewkkyKewkky
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    Yeah, Nexon's policy about not allowing public blacklists hurts people regarding this type of stuff. Others have a right to know who's not trustworthy (as long as proof is provided), but oh well.
  • Techn0mancerTechn0mancer
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    Public blacklists would be a bad thing. There's these two guys on my server that run interesting events. One is an in game casino, and the other is a gameshow where he literally hands out millions. I won't name them, because ToS (they are free to post whom they are though!) and it never fails that someone in world chat starts screaming scam. I've personally been paid out 3 million mesos by one, and a couple thousand onyx by the other, and they're both upstanding end game people with near 7k gear scores that are doing what they want to have fun. A public blacklist would probably have their names on it, despite the very little (if any) profit margins associated with their games. I have no idea why everyone thinks that everything is a scam, but I personally believe that only thieves think the world is full of thieves.
  • KewkkyKewkky
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    edited 2:02PM November 5, 2018
    Public blacklists would be a bad thing. There's these two guys on my server that run interesting events. One is an in game casino, and the other is a gameshow where he literally hands out millions. I won't name them, because ToS (they are free to post whom they are though!) and it never fails that someone in world chat starts screaming scam. I've personally been paid out 3 million mesos by one, and a couple thousand onyx by the other, and they're both upstanding end game people with near 7k gear scores that are doing what they want to have fun. A public blacklist would probably have their names on it, despite the very little (if any) profit margins associated with their games. I have no idea why everyone thinks that everything is a scam, but I personally believe that only thieves think the world is full of thieves.

    Why would it have their names on it? They don't seem to be scamming people. I'm talking SPECIFICALLY about B4 and hard dungeon run scammers. You know, people who if they were to do what they do in real life would still get blacklisted by the surrounding community.
  • FearmypawsFearmypaws
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    Idc why they cannot make it solo for b4 instead party to risk scam ppl out? It's no brainer, like really nexon? Scamming is cool?
  • RohuntRohunt
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    Don't be lazy and pay for people to do content for you? Just.. get good? I mean, this is maplestory 2.. Not dark souls. Just be a cute chibi and play the game.
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  • NaishoDayoNaishoDayo
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    Fearmypaws wrote: »
    Idc why they cannot make it solo for b4 instead party to risk scam ppl out? It's no brainer, like really nexon? Scamming is cool?

    To me it looks like B4 runs were never intended to be sold, so Nexon probably never made countermeasures against scammers. The "right" way is probably to invite guild mates and friends to join you after obtaining that rare key. But you know, humans are greedy creatures; not many of us would invite friends and guild mates with no strings attached. And even fewer would be generous enough to invite random strangers for free.
    Kewkky
  • OhmygodOhmygod
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    This could all easily been avoided if they just let us trade x4 b1 keys into a b4. B4 prices would crash. People won't have as much as incentive to sell, and thus lowering the chances for scams.
  • NaishoDayoNaishoDayo
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    Ohmygod wrote: »
    This could all easily been avoided if they just let us trade x4 b1 keys into a b4. B4 prices would crash. People won't have as much as incentive to sell, and thus lowering the chances for scams.

    Ah, but the thing is... Your idea isn't exactly a good reason for sole purpose of combating scammers. Because making a rare commodity more common would affect the game; it's essentially giving late game gemstones away like rice. If the solution is to make it more readily available... Why stop at that? Might as well make it easier to obtain everything else too. And depending how far it goes, might as well let everyone have it for free.

    It seems I may have exaggerated just a bit, but the best solution, as a player, to not get scammed... is simply not to buy into B4 run. We can't really influence players who want to sell keys, but making our own decisions on whether to buy them should be doable.
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  • WarameWarame
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    edited 5:52AM November 7, 2018
    To help prevent scams, they could add a function where the key owner writes down the name of 3 people of his choice on the key and set a meso value of his choice for each person.
    Adding the name of the person on they key will automatically call them for party and a message telling them they were invited for B4 would appear with a place for them to put the money the owner stablished.
    Once they put the money in, they would get in the party.
    If the leader kicks them out of the party, the money is returned to them.
    The leader will only get this money if all members of the party get the loot from the B4 at the end.
  • OlujiwanOlujiwan
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    Adding in ways to prevent these sorts of scams is not something easily done. However, I can assure you the Nexon team is aware of the issue.

    For now, please do try what OP suggests and make sure that the person you are buying it from looks and acts reputable. It's not a safeguard, but it can reduce risk greatly.
  • NiamhNyxNiamhNyx
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    NaishoDayo wrote: »
    Fearmypaws wrote: »
    Idc why they cannot make it solo for b4 instead party to risk scam ppl out? It's no brainer, like really nexon? Scamming is cool?

    To me it looks like B4 runs were never intended to be sold, so Nexon probably never made countermeasures against scammers. The "right" way is probably to invite guild mates and friends to join you after obtaining that rare key. But you know, humans are greedy creatures; not many of us would invite friends and guild mates with no strings attached. And even fewer would be generous enough to invite random strangers for free.

    I got a b4 key and got 6 million mesos because the people in my guild wouldnt let me take them for free lol.
  • BigBlackKappaBigBlackKappa
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    People buying runs for these easy dungeons ?lol. People getting scammed in 2018?
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