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Petition to Remove Fair Fight

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  • AethernaiAethernai
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    Unpopular opinion: Keep fair fight.
  • MiseryindexMiseryindex
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    edited 6:43PM August 21, 2018
    Maplestory 2 is a casual game, there's nothing wrong with making everyone in a dungeon have the same value as a player. Your damage will be the same as the rest, everyone is contributing equally. If you want to show off your wallet and be "top dps" do it on pvp.
  • MorninggMorningg
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    #RemoveFairFight
    Crowve
  • EtchaviousEtchavious
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    Maplestory 2 is a casual game, there's nothing wrong with making everyone in a dungeon have the same value as a player. Your damage will be the same as the rest, everyone is contributing equally. If you want to show off your wallet and be "top dps" do it on pvp.

    This right here is borderline #MS2Socialist

    Please don't just categorize this game as casual. It does have casual aspects; however, it has common standard aspects as well that lean towards grinding/hardcore/etc. As much as I can see how players such as yourself want to just hop in and be like everyone else, there is a large player base who want to stand out from the crowd.

    This game isn't just minigames and housing.
  • Lily_Lily_
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    edited 6:55PM August 21, 2018
    I'm just considering a refund and playing f2p since it seems like a socialism dictatorship at this point. Not paying the extra to be like the general public.

    "Everyone gets a participation award!"
    Etchaviousyukheii
  • BullcatiBullcati
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  • NumberNumber
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    edited 6:58PM August 21, 2018
    Maplestory 2 is a casual game, there's nothing wrong with making everyone in a dungeon have the same value as a player. Your damage will be the same as the rest, everyone is contributing equally. If you want to show off your wallet and be "top dps" do it on pvp.

    I dont care about pvp, also you dont use a wallet to be "top dps". OP gear is suppose to "OP," if not what the point. If you dont want play with OP gear players then dont (premake a party or solo). No one forcing you but Fair Fight is forcing the debuff on the playerbase, which is not cool. Its not about ego, speed and streamrolling for everyone. I got better gear (through whatever means "pay, grinding or combo"), so why i should have to play I dont?
  • MiseryindexMiseryindex
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    edited 6:59PM August 21, 2018
    Etchavious wrote: »
    Maplestory 2 is a casual game, there's nothing wrong with making everyone in a dungeon have the same value as a player. Your damage will be the same as the rest, everyone is contributing equally. If you want to show off your wallet and be "top dps" do it on pvp.

    This right here is borderline #MS2Socialist

    Please don't just categorize this game as casual. It does have casual aspects; however, it has common standard aspects as well that lean towards grinding/hardcore/etc. As much as I can see how players such as yourself want to just hop in and be like everyone else, there is a large player base who want to stand out from the crowd.

    This game isn't just minigames and housing.

    But you CAN stand out from the rest, by customizing your character however you want, there are outfits, and much more to make your character feel unique.
    I can use your own phrase "This game isn't just grinding, there's minigames, housing, pvp"

    "Hardcore PVE" is just comical, I know guilds want to brag how fast they can kill a boss than x guild. Oh awesome how skillful, you can steamroll bosses faster than WalletWarriorsXX.
    Like I said, if you want to tryhard in this game. Go pvp and measure your e-peen with others.
  • xTianaxxTianax
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    They should have different difficulty levels like one with fair fight and one without. And for the one without fair fight you get better loot.
    BullcatiPiliken
  • EtchaviousEtchavious
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    edited 7:17PM August 21, 2018
    Etchavious wrote: »
    Maplestory 2 is a casual game, there's nothing wrong with making everyone in a dungeon have the same value as a player. Your damage will be the same as the rest, everyone is contributing equally. If you want to show off your wallet and be "top dps" do it on pvp.

    This right here is borderline #MS2Socialist

    Please don't just categorize this game as casual. It does have casual aspects; however, it has common standard aspects as well that lean towards grinding/hardcore/etc. As much as I can see how players such as yourself want to just hop in and be like everyone else, there is a large player base who want to stand out from the crowd.

    This game isn't just minigames and housing.

    But you CAN stand out from the rest, by customizing your character however you want, there are outfits, and much more to make your character feel unique.
    I can use your own phrase "This game isn't just grinding, there's minigames, housing, pvp"

    "Hardcore PVE" is just comical, I know guilds want to brag how fast they can kill a boss than x guild. Oh awesome how skillful, you can steamroll bosses faster than WalletWarriorsXX.
    Like I said, if you want to tryhard in this game. Go pvp and measure your e-peen with others.

    The problem is, you just assumed that I'm a tryhard and all I want to do is raid, and show off my e-peen. Thanks for assuming, it meant absolutely nothing. You have provided no additional value to this thread outside of trying to verbally assault me for no reason.

    That being said, unfortunately, you are far from the truth, and I will spend most of my time and effort on my house, character, and music creation. However, as you can see, I'm also seeing the fault in a current implementation of a battle mechanic, and have opted to provide my viewpoint and opinion, nothing more. This game is more than just casual, it is a mix, and it needs to have the proper mechanics to support both.

    I'll copy part of my response from Reddit as well since I don't feel like re-writing it. The goal of these petitions should be to invoke or at least grab the attention of staff and have them hear real responses, not a bunch of back and forth name calling. Be part of the community, don't just throw eggs from the sideline.

    Last part of my Reddit Comment

    "The real question is will Nexon even read or entertain any of these suggestions (the petition, people complaining, etc.) if it's a bunch of people throwing negativity towards each other. The best thing to do is provide adequate and constructive criticism so that when it gets looked at, it doesn't look like a bunch of players complaining. It looks like real people gave real thought and provided REAL feedback that they can use to better the game in the long run for everyone.

    If anyone has good ideas or wants to provide good feedback, I would urge you to do so on the petition above. If we actually come together as a community and not bicker, we may actually get them to make the right decisions and/or adjustments to make the game the best it can be."
  • Sekundes_Sekundes_
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    Please remove fair fight.
  • KewkkyKewkky
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    edited 7:19PM August 21, 2018
    Maplestory 2 is a casual game, there's nothing wrong with making everyone in a dungeon have the same value as a player. Your damage will be the same as the rest, everyone is contributing equally. If you want to show off your wallet and be "top dps" do it on pvp.

    Can you point me to an official post saying that MS2 is a casual game? It doesn't even have to be from the GMS2 team, nor does it have to be from this website. As long as it comes from someone credible who is part of any MS2 staff I'm good.
    Etchavious
  • DinnerDinner
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    Kinda upset, someone moved this from General Chat to suggestions, without a response. Like sure it's a better category. But it doesn't get as much attention and appears as if you are trying to hide the issue. Imo
    NumberAkuma524yukheiiNunah
  • NumberNumber
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    Dinner wrote: »
    Kinda upset, someone moved this from General Chat to suggestions, without a response. Like sure it's a better category. But it doesn't get as much attention and appears as if you are trying to hide the issue. Imo

    I was like "where it went"
  • PetalmagicPetalmagic
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    After some more research, complete removal of Fair fight is something that would probably do more harm than good. It removes the challenge of dungeons if you can just one shot everything. Same for carries, it removes the CHALLENGE of the game. I didn't get carried in CBT1/2, and I had tons of fun with it. Yeah, I died. Woohoo. It happens. Be glad we don't have MS1's extreme exp penalty per death :P But there needs to be a way to keep high level players "in check" if they are playing with lowbies. Maybe tone down the penalties, but DO NOT completely remove it.
  • PixelPantsuPixelPantsu
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    Remove it entirely
    CrowveCarisei
  • MoopMoopMoopMoop
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    I'm going to vote yes but i don't think that it should be entirely removed. The way damage scales in this game means that world bosses wouldn't last more than a minute. It need to be scaled back SOOOOO much so that someone that hit's 20k usually doesn't hit 200s on a lvl 15 world boss
    Crowve
  • SmashSenpaiSmashSenpai
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    Dinner wrote: »
    Someone who has played 1000 hours and grinded to get the best gear.
    Is equal to someone who is a fresh level 50

    According to the QnA from the stream event, it currently allows players to be 2.5x stronger than the players that the dungeon is targeting. The numbers are expected to change but no confirmation on what the number will be and whether that number will differ depending on the content you are doing, such as world bosses, normal vs hard dungeons, raids, pvp, shadow world pvp, etc.

    So not quite equal.
    bamsoul
  • FlearasFlearas
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    edited 8:22PM August 21, 2018
    This is a response to the two sides arguing for and against Fair Fight. The stipulation is as follows:

    Note: This is only for "dungeon" based Fair Fight content. This suggestion doesn't speak for World Boss content.

    Make Fair Fight's effectiveness scale based on the players present in the party/dungeon.

    Explanation: Let Fair Fight's effects kick in if a low level player is present doing low level content. Remove Fair Fight's effects if a group of level 50's are doing a level 20 dungeon with no low level player present.

    Implication: Low level players don't get carried and high level players are able to complete their dailies and won't feel like blatantly avoiding content.

    In the current state, Fair Fight feels like a permanent punishment and forces dailies asking players to complete dungeons to be ignored. This is restrictive, and it's easy to understand why players don't enjoy this mechanic. It's also easy to understand why other players would like to play through content with their friends without everything getting one-shot. This way, both sides get their way.
    Evinagro
  • PetalmagicPetalmagic
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    MoopMoop wrote: »
    I'm going to vote yes but i don't think that it should be entirely removed. The way damage scales in this game means that world bosses wouldn't last more than a minute. It need to be scaled back SOOOOO much so that someone that hit's 20k usually doesn't hit 200s on a lvl 15 world boss

    Something brought up in the discord was the idea of scaling it to the lowest level in the party. I.E. if you are in a party and have a 50, a 28, and a 17, it scales to the 17's damage (since you are likely doing a dungeon thats around their level) I definitely agree that fair fight needs a nerf to some degree, but not complete and utterly cut out of the game. Removal can cause elitism, and ruin the challenge of doing dungeons if your friend can just carry you through them all. It also means world bosses won't be a challenge.

    Now, Fair fight if you are doing level 50 content as a level 50.

    Why? Its hard enough to do those bosses with their one shots and mechanics.

    (I have to try and represent some of my forum-shy friends here...so...yay)
    Zelosorobamsoul