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  • JetUppercutJetUppercut
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    In this case, the game has been out for a very long time, just not here. So I don't think we can really claim that people didn't know what they were buying into.

    Why did you even type this? Serious question.
    "The game is open in other regions, that you need a VPN, a foreign SSN/phone number and a willingness to commit identity fraud to play, so I think everyone that didn't buy a Founder's Pack was just fence sitting".
    Really?

    You can literally look at the forums you are on right and see people who are angry at how the game changed between overseas versions and even between beta to headstart. The people that bought founder's packs got something different to what they were expecting. The people that played the other versions of the game got something different to what they were expecting.
    And you're going to try and argue this?
    This is why I don't take any of your posts seriously.

    Not to mention, this is a free game. The risk is all on the consumer in spending money and some people don't want to put their money on the line for something they haven't played. When you buy a founder's pack you are literally betting against yourself that you'll like something enough to have paid money for it even though it will be free. If you could get all the stuff from the founder's pack in game for free would you have even bought one? If you hadn't played the game before and there were no exclusive incentives, would you jump at the opportunite to spend $25~$100 to play it nine days early?

    Most people do not want to take that bet. For those people, who don't have ingrained impulse spending habits or didn't win a lottery, they now miss out on a decent value for money deal that wouldn't even lose it's "exclusivity" if it was stretched after release indefinitely. Because you'd still have to pay the same amount of money on a free game to get it and most people aren't really willing to do that. It just doesn't even make any sense to argue against it unless you just want to shrink the potential profits of the game for the sake of protecting your own 'investment' in time limited paid items that have no actual value.
    The same thing goes for pre-order bonuses.

    I can't even be bothered continuing on with everything wrong with what you're saying.
    The fact is, without exclusive incentives, you wouldn't hand over your money sight unseen of a product. Especially if you could get it for free.
    And if the industry can't sustain itself without taking money from people sight unseen of a product, it shouldn't exist.
    It should be funded solely by the quality of it's products, not by misdirection and problem spending habits. You know, like every other industry.
    Supporting anything otherwise is just plain foolish.
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  • MizaruMizaru
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    The whole point of a founders pack is the idea of putting money toward the game early on. It's common practice these days when it comes to the game industry. Even preorder bonuses are a huge things now. The founders pack is essentially the equivalent of a preorder bonus. It doesn't make sense to extend preorder bonuses after a game is already released, right? Wouldn't be a preorder then.

    Pre-order bonuses are just as anti-consumer. There isn't another industry on the planet that gives preferential treatment to those that quite literally blindly hand over their money. Because in every other industry that is called a scam.
    Not to mention, if you pre-order a game and it sucks you can just return it. Or if you pre-order a game and change your mind you can get that money and spend it on something else. Try doing that with anything you buy from Nexon. Hope you weren't attached to your account.
    It's ridiculous how easily conditioned gamers are into accepting horrendously anti-consumer practices at their own detriment.

    What? "Founder's packs" exist in every industry possible. From preordering a new phone before they're available (maybe getting a wireless charger as a bonus) to luxury cars that you have to at least partially pay even before they even started making the car.

    Then there's crowdfunding. Completely same thing with huge variety of different product types. Of course some of them are scams, but there's also reliable businesses there.

    So you're just simply wrong with this statement.
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  • MarchinBunnyMarchinBunny
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    Why did you even type this? Serious question.
    "The game is open in other regions, that you need a VPN, a foreign SSN/phone number and a willingness to commit identity fraud to play, so I think everyone that didn't buy a Founder's Pack was just fence sitting".
    Really?
    Never heard of videos? I said it because the point is, you can see video footage of what the game is like. You can get reviews and information. The whole reason why preordering can often be seen as bad is because you cannot make an informed decision until the game is released. But clearly Maplestory 2, doesn't have that problem here because it's technically been out for a very long time.
    You can literally look at the forums you are on right and see people who are angry at how the game changed between overseas versions and even between beta to headstart.
    Yep, I am well aware. I never suggested everything was exactly the same. I even mentioned things change such as how they decide to monetize. But ultimately the base game is the same, so knowing Nexon ... you should be able to at least get a somewhat good idea of how it could turn out.

    Are you telling me you went into this game assuming the best?
    The people that bought founder's packs got something different to what they were expecting. The people that played the other versions of the game got something different to what they were expecting.
    How? Even I, while giving Nexon the benefit of the doubt was prepared for the worst. I played Mabinogi on and off for over 10 years or however long it's been out. I know their business practices and how they run things. The style crate, while I dislike it immensely, I always knew it was a possibility.
    And you're going to try and argue this?
    This is why I don't take any of your posts seriously.
    Do you really think I care whether or not you take my posts seriously? I just give my views, and you and I can agree to disagree. Clearly, you and I do. I don't consider your view invalid or anything. You have every right to dislike preorder items, but my point is not everyone dislikes it. Clearly. Right? I personally don't see anything wrong with it.
    Not to mention, this is a free game. The risk is all on the consumer in spending money and some people don't want to put their money on the line for something they haven't played. When you buy a founder's pack you are literally betting against yourself that you'll like something enough to have paid money for it even though it will be free.
    To be frank, they had a $25 pack, which is what I purchased. I consider that cheap enough to take the risk and they offered more than enough things within the pack for the value. If you don't like the game, all well. Down $25. I have spent more on other things. If you don't want to take the risk and feel $25 is still to much, then don't buy the founders pack. How exactly is this complicated?
    If you could get all the stuff from the founder's pack in game for free would you have even bought one? If you hadn't played the game before and there were no exclusive incentives, would you jump at the opportunite to spend $25~$100 to play it nine days early?
    If you could get all the items free from within the game, then ya ... I probably still would have purchased it for the simple fact that it came with merets. You got more than your moneys worth. Plus being able to get a name reservation and being able to play early.
    Most people do not want to take that bet.
    Then don't. I fail to see the problem.
    For those people, who don't have ingrained impulse spending habits or didn't win a lottery, they now miss out on a decent value for money deal that wouldn't even lose it's "exclusivity" if it was stretched after release indefinitely.
    It's a not a decent value if $25 is not worth taking the bet to you. That's a contradiction. Especially as I have pointed out that there has been more than enough information about this game to make at least a pretty accurate assumption on how much you would enjoy the game. This is coming from someone who actually may quit the game BTW because I don't like how it's been turning out. But I am the one who decided to spend the $25, and I absolutely 100% knew the risks involved and I felt it was a minor risk.

    Now everyone may not think it's a minor risk, and that is why they have the option to not buy it. If they felt they lost out, then honestly tough. Grow up. It honestly comes off as incredibly silly to complain at that point.
    Because you'd still have to pay the same amount of money on a free game to get it and most people aren't really willing to do that. It just doesn't even make any sense to argue against it unless you just want to shrink the potential profits of the game for the sake of protecting your own 'investment' in time limited paid items that have no actual value.
    The same thing goes for pre-order bonuses.
    I don't have a problem if they decide to extend it. I think you just assumed I did because I argued for why extending it doesn't really make any sense. If they extend it 10 days, after those 10 days there will be someone who missed it, and likely have the same complaint. Why not extend it 15 days? Then after how about 20? 30? When exactly is a good time to stop extending it? When is enough time to test it? All the information you could ever want has been available for quite some time. The OP isn't complaining that they didn't know whether or not they wanted to buy the game. They didn't even know about it the game at all.

    Anyone who has been here had ample time to decide. All information had already been given. Even Style crates have been announced before the founders pack sale ended. There is literally no excuse to argue that people didn't know whether or not they would like the game.
    I can't even be bothered continuing on with everything wrong with what you're saying.
    I don't even see anything wrong with what I am saying. You havn't really told me anything that would make me change my mind here.
    The fact is, without exclusive incentives, you wouldn't hand over your money sight unseen of a product. Especially if you could get it for free.
    And if the industry can't sustain itself without taking money from people sight unseen of a product, it shouldn't exist.
    I think you are over exaggerating. It was seen plenty.
    It should be funded solely by the quality of it's products, not by misdirection and problem spending habits. You know, like every other industry.
    Supporting anything otherwise is just plain foolish.
    The reason I think preordering is ok is because typically you preorder based on previous attained knowledge. For example, I preordered Fallout 76 because I have played enough Bethesda games to know I am very likely to enjoy this game. I have seen enough footage to be sure of that as well. I get some people preorder even before knowing that, but that isn't the industries problem ... that is a player problem. Why should I suffer because of people who make uninformed decisions?

    Miguelx
  • YUNGFUJIMANEYUNGFUJIMANE
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    edited 4:52AM October 16, 2018
    nope. the entire point of the founders pack is that it is limited, to draw players in. there was plenty of time to get it, it is not "punishing" anyone. we may as well start saying lootboxes punish people who cant afford them, or trains and busses punish people who cant arrive on time.

    you not knowing about the game isn't an excuse and its certainly not anyones problem but your own. if you didnt know about it then you didnt know about it. people have been talking about the game, there have been advertisements, videos, articles, forum posts, etc. "i didnt know the game was out" isnt a valid excuse for an extension.

    you can go on and on about the concepts of consumerism but its just an even further reach.
  • ElunryElunry
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    I only found out about the official release today when I saw it on a friend's discord game activity, I'd like a chance to buy a founders pack if ever possible again. I've been away from the gaming scene for over a year to focus on my Uni studies, but I played Maplestory and have fond memories during my high school years so it would have been a nice way to support this version.

    To anyone who is gonna be a smart alec and say I just didn't care enough, you can shove your opinion back down your throat.
  • noodle_777noodle_777
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    edited 5:42PM October 16, 2018
    Flylow wrote: »
    Blaming Nexon because you didn't care enough about the game to even know it was being released MONTHS IN ADVANCE. OMEGALUL, you're a literal child, go away no1 wants you here.
    Did i just actually hear this convoluted logic ? I'm blaming Nexon because i Didn't care about a game i didn't know about months in advance ? Wow man.. some solid logic.

    Any way I'm over the founders packs issue, i spent last night playing and ill have to say this about it. its cute, although i am starting to see the Korean influences in it.

    It has all the big issues with a large mmo that gives head start and no reset before live. There's many accounts with multiple max level characters. there's tons of bots and gold sellers. players The cash shop is crippling. The guild limit is exclusive. They seemed to rip off various features directly from other games. The daily dungeon limit is actually game breaking, even though i understand why its there but its to cover up for the dev's laziness or in ability to detect and ban bots and gold farmers or power players, who will just find a way around this any way. the game is also pretty repetitive. it can also be cripplingly noisy LOL ...navigating the map can also be a chore because of certain places being covered up by blocks ( ill try using a game pad tonight) .

    If they can fix these issues i actually think there's a chance .

    I just wanted to play the game and make some statements from a first person observation instead of being fixated on the founders packs. it would have been nice to have been able to buy one .. but in hind-sight i'm glad i didn't because ill most likely grind through all the content in the first 30 days and move on and payed nothing ( unless i buy some sort of cosmetic) , i sure as hell will not be paying muti-hundreds for a costume or 18 dollars for a mount unless i planed to play for longer than a couple weeks to a month ...

    We shall see. if the raiding is really, really good , ill probably stay...

    However it was a poor business decision to not release with the founders packs available like at least a week after the initial launch , that way once the hype train started people had that option and still maintained exclusivity , i would have bought a 25 dollar pack before i even started playing , and at least the developer made some money , the exclusivity is a Korean mentality and it doesn't work as well in the west.
  • noodle_777noodle_777
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    edited 5:36PM October 16, 2018
    Elunry wrote: »
    I only found out about the official release today when I saw it on a friend's discord game activity, I'd like a chance to buy a founders pack if ever possible again. I've been away from the gaming scene for over a year to focus on my Uni studies, but I played Maplestory and have fond memories during my high school years so it would have been a nice way to support this version.

    To anyone who is gonna be a smart alec and say I just didn't care enough, you can shove your opinion back down your throat.

    I feel for you , you obviously have a life , instead of sitting around looking at, and following games for months , to throw that college student level cash at , that may or may not end up being good..
  • noodle_777noodle_777
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    edited 6:00PM October 16, 2018
    The reason I think preordering is ok is because typically you preorder based on previous attained knowledge. For example, I preordered Fallout 76 because I have played enough Bethesda games to know I am very likely to enjoy this game. I have seen enough footage to be sure of that as well. I get some people preorder even before knowing that, but that isn't the industries problem ... that is a player problem. Why should I suffer because of people who make uninformed decisions?

    You obviously haven't heard of the hundreds possibly thousands of kick starter game scams then , or how about no mans sky ? it's definitely an industry problem if they lie to you and take your money there's no way to do due diligence.

    There's more games than i can even list that have failed ,were crowd funded or had exclusive pre-order bonuses for a funding method.

  • MarchinBunnyMarchinBunny
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    edited 6:07PM October 16, 2018
    noodle_777 wrote: »
    The reason I think preordering is ok is because typically you preorder based on previous attained knowledge. For example, I preordered Fallout 76 because I have played enough Bethesda games to know I am very likely to enjoy this game. I have seen enough footage to be sure of that as well. I get some people preorder even before knowing that, but that isn't the industries problem ... that is a player problem. Why should I suffer because of people who make uninformed decisions?

    You obviously haven't heard of the hundreds possibly thousands of kick starter game scams then , or how about no mans sky ? it's definitely an industry problem if they lie to you and take your money there's no way to do due diligence.

    I have heard of kickstarter. But I think you entirely missed my point. What information do you have on a kickstarter? The answer is, only information they give. There is actually no way for you to know whether or not the game is going to turn out the way it's promised. So your decision to buy into an early access or kickstarted game is based on ... "oh this sounds/looks cool."

    You are not being taken advantage of, you are just making a poor decision and may even be making a poor investment.

    So I will repeat myself. I think preordering is fine. You just have to be smart about who you preorder from. Use your better judgment like you would making any purchase anywhere. The only games I ever preorder are ones I either am confident are going to be good because it's a game made by a dev team who has made good games in the past, or it's so cheap that it's not really going to bother me if it ends up flopping.

    Edit: Oh and if a company lies to you and takes your money, then no longer buy from that company again. It's really that simple. If you somehow keep preordering games and getting burned, then you have a problem and probably need to seek help because you might have an impulse buyer sort of thing going on. It's not hard to make informed purchases if you actually try to and are not an impulse buyer.
  • noodle_777noodle_777
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    edited 6:32PM October 16, 2018
    So either way in this case i would have got shafted because it's Nexon , notorious, i don't trust them so i wouldn't per-order , or pre-order in that glimmer of a chance its a good game for a few trinkets , if i had known. either way it seems like a flimsy argument. i know how nexon likes those "just trust me " exclusive items , i own the original Jumo courier in dota 2.

    Also I'm from an era of games that pre ordering was not a thing and many of these games are still relevant because they had to stand on there own, or at worst the whole company would fail. now adays with software indemnity and money up front there's no liability no refunds and no recourse...
  • FlylowFlylow
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    edited 8:01PM October 16, 2018
    Elunry wrote: »
    I only found out about the official release today when I saw it on a friend's discord game activity, I'd like a chance to buy a founders pack if ever possible again. I've been away from the gaming scene for over a year to focus on my Uni studies, but I played Maplestory and have fond memories during my high school years so it would have been a nice way to support this version.

    To anyone who is gonna be a smart alec and say I just didn't care enough, you can shove your opinion back down your throat.

    You just didn't care enough, no pack for you.

    noodle_777 wrote: »
    Flylow wrote: »
    Blaming Nexon because you didn't care enough about the game to even know it was being released MONTHS IN ADVANCE. OMEGALUL, you're a literal child, go away no1 wants you here.
    Did i just actually hear this convoluted logic ? I'm blaming Nexon because i Didn't care about a game i didn't know about months in advance ? Wow man.. some solid logic.

    Any way I'm over the founders packs issue, i spent last night playing and ill have to say this about it. its cute, although i am starting to see the Korean influences in it.

    It has all the big issues with a large mmo that gives head start and no reset before live. There's many accounts with multiple max level characters. there's tons of bots and gold sellers. players The cash shop is crippling. The guild limit is exclusive. They seemed to rip off various features directly from other games. The daily dungeon limit is actually game breaking, even though i understand why its there but its to cover up for the dev's laziness or in ability to detect and ban bots and gold farmers or power players, who will just find a way around this any way. the game is also pretty repetitive. it can also be cripplingly noisy LOL ...navigating the map can also be a chore because of certain places being covered up by blocks ( ill try using a game pad tonight) .

    If they can fix these issues i actually think there's a chance .

    I just wanted to play the game and make some statements from a first person observation instead of being fixated on the founders packs. it would have been nice to have been able to buy one .. but in hind-sight i'm glad i didn't because ill most likely grind through all the content in the first 30 days and move on and payed nothing ( unless i buy some sort of cosmetic) , i sure as hell will not be paying muti-hundreds for a costume or 18 dollars for a mount unless i planed to play for longer than a couple weeks to a month ...

    We shall see. if the raiding is really, really good , ill probably stay...

    However it was a poor business decision to not release with the founders packs available like at least a week after the initial launch , that way once the hype train started people had that option and still maintained exclusivity , i would have bought a 25 dollar pack before i even started playing , and at least the developer made some money , the exclusivity is a Korean mentality and it doesn't work as well in the west.

    It sounds like you're trying to convince yourself that you don't actually want a founder pack and that you are not upset you missed out for not paying attention to all the stuff nexon put out hyping this game up for months OMEGALUL
  • ZeroGravigaZeroGraviga
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    Tldr: OP is sad he didn't pay attention to all the hype and wants handouts.
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  • noodle_777noodle_777
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    Flylow wrote: »
    It sounds like you're trying to convince yourself that you don't actually want a founder pack and that you are not upset you missed out for not paying attention to all the stuff nexon put out hyping this game up for months OMEGALUL
    You actually prove several of the things i mentioned before , on top of that you sound super cringey.

  • noodle_777noodle_777
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    Tldr: OP is sad he didn't pay attention to all the hype and wants handouts.

    My life doesn't always revolve around video games..

    Are you guys mad now?
  • MiguelxMiguelx
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    noodle_777 wrote: »

    It has all the big issues with a large mmo that gives head start and no reset before live. There's many accounts with multiple max level characters. there's tons of bots and gold sellers. players The cash shop is crippling. The guild limit is exclusive. They seemed to rip off various features directly from other games.

    You're a real special case aren't you?
    noodle_777 wrote: »
    If they can fix these issues i actually think there's a chance .

    Seeing as you don't know how to read other links and jump to assumptions, i'm going to take it you don't read dev blogs either which are literally on the front page.
    noodle_777 wrote: »
    I just wanted to play the game and make some statements from a first person observation instead of being fixated on the founders packs. it would have been nice to have been able to buy one .. but in hind-sight i'm glad i didn't because ill most likely grind through all the content in the first 30 days and move on and payed nothing ( unless i buy some sort of cosmetic) , i sure as hell will not be paying muti-hundreds for a costume or 18 dollars for a mount unless i planed to play for longer than a couple weeks to a month ...

    Do you even know what the founders contains after all your ranting and complaining?
    noodle_777 wrote: »
    However it was a poor business decision to not release with the founders packs available like at least a week after the initial launch , that way once the hype train started people had that option and still maintained exclusivity , i would have bought a 25 dollar pack before i even started playing , and at least the developer made some money , the exclusivity is a Korean mentality and it doesn't work as well in the west.

    "I just wanted to play the game and make some statements from a first person observation instead of being fixated on the founders packs."

    guys i swear im not mad about not having founders.... but i just have to keep bringing it up because i want you guys to know how dumb it is.....
    north america is so dumb with how they handled founders because of stupid asian mentality... even though i just bragged about dead north american games having founders after release......... can you guys stop bullying me i think the game is ok now even though i said i wouldnt play it............... i still think not selling founders is stupid.......................

    Flylow
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    noodle_777 wrote: »
    Elunry wrote: »
    I only found out about the official release today when I saw it on a friend's discord game activity, I'd like a chance to buy a founders pack if ever possible again. I've been away from the gaming scene for over a year to focus on my Uni studies, but I played Maplestory and have fond memories during my high school years so it would have been a nice way to support this version.

    To anyone who is gonna be a smart alec and say I just didn't care enough, you can shove your opinion back down your throat.

    I feel for you , you obviously have a life , instead of sitting around looking at, and following games for months , to throw that college student level cash at , that may or may not end up being good..

    so you lost the argument of not getting a handout and as a result youre defaulting to the "you have no life if you got a founders pack"
    btw knowing about a game or following it isnt a fulltime hobby, its not even a pastime. maybe you see a youtube video, or an article, or read a forum post. it doesnt exactly consume your entire saturday. this is quite the reach.